{"id":29438,"date":"2023-09-26T07:51:59","date_gmt":"2023-09-26T14:51:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.podfeet.com\/blog\/?p=29438"},"modified":"2023-10-05T06:46:38","modified_gmt":"2023-10-05T13:46:38","slug":"mbp-battery-update","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.podfeet.com\/blog\/2023\/09\/mbp-battery-update\/","title":{"rendered":"How\u2019s that MacBook Pro Battery Problem Going?"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Typical 11% Battery Drain Over Night<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

It\u2019s been a while since I gave you an update on my seemingly never-ending battery saga with my 14\u201d M1 Max MacBook Pro. I haven\u2019t talked about it because I\u2019ve hit an impasse with Apple.<\/p>\n

Allow me to do a quick recap to bring everyone up to speed. I bought the MacBook Pro in October of 2021, the day they were released. Within a few months, I noticed that the battery life was nothing like the promised \u201cUp to 11 hours wireless web.\u201d<\/p>\n

After several months of working with Apple, they gave me a new battery and at the same time politely erased my machine. I did a clean install of all my apps and within a very short time, my battery life was nothing like that promised.<\/p>\n

In April of 2023, I began taking metrics as I worked with Apple. The laptop gets around 6 hours of battery on \u201cwireless web\u201d, which is amazing compared to an Intel machine, but it\u2019s barely half of what it should be getting. Every person I\u2019ve spoken to at Apple have said that this isn\u2019t right.<\/p>\n

My main concern is that while using the laptop I lose 15% per hour. But what became more interesting during our testing was that it also loses 15% overnight when it’s asleep<\/em>. This happens when it’s disconnected from power and all peripherals.<\/p>\n

Over 23 phone calls and visits to Apple, we\u2019ve tested on different networks. We\u2019ve tested with and without iCloud logged in. It happens without Time Machine. It happens with sharing services disabled. We removed all of my Internet Accounts. We tested it with WiFi disabled. We ran Malware Bytes (which was actually recommended by Apple).<\/p>\n

Finally, we installed a fresh version of macOS Ventura on a new APFS Volume, transferred none of my apps, settings, or data, and logged into iCloud \u2026 and it lost 14% over 12 hours while asleep. When it was logged out of iCloud, the MacBook Pro lost 0% overnight while sleeping.<\/p>\n

It seemed to me that the clean install on a separate Volume really pointed to hardware. Apple seemed to agree because at that point I discovered the engineer that was working behind the scenes on this was on the software side, and he threw it over to the hardware engineering side. But that was in May and we\u2019re no closer to figuring out the root cause than we were in April.<\/p>\n

At this point, Apple Engineering have declared that the only solution is for me to do a full<\/em> nuke and pave where I don\u2019t migrate any apps or settings. They have not given me a satisfactory explanation of why this is any different than the clean install they had me do on a separate Volume though.<\/p>\n

As you know, I\u2019m actually a fan of doing a nuke and pave of my Macs on an annual basis, and since macOS Sonoma is right around the corner, I figure it\u2019s worth a shot.<\/p>\n

But what I do have a problem with is what they\u2019re telling me to do after the clean install. They want me to install each of my apps, one by one, and after each app install, to run a battery test. They say this is the only way we\u2019ll know which of my apps is causing the problem.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s do a little bit of math here. I have 181 apps installed on my MacBook Pro, and we know Apple preinstall 40 apps, which means I have to do 141 battery tests. I\u2019ve been doing the tests overnight where it loses 15%, so that means I have to test for 141 days. That could be as much as FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS OF TESTING<\/strong>!<\/p>\n

As I said earlier, Apple have not given me any reason why doing a full clean install on my Mac is any different from doing it on a new Volume. But I had the opportunity to talk to a friend of mine who recently retired from Apple working on the server side of the business, and he said that at a very low level, there is a difference. That\u2019s the only reason I am going to follow their instructions.<\/p>\n

Margo, the wonderful and dedicated Apple Senior Advisor who has been with me for so many months has suggested that we get some data before I do the reinstall of my apps that could potentially reveal something interesting for engineering.<\/p>\n

Macs, iPhones, iPads, Apple Watches, and even Apple TVs can run a self-diagnostic called sysdiagnose, and the files generated are what engineering pore over to try to figure out what\u2019s going wrong.<\/p>\n

Over these many moons, Margo has been sending me what she calls a \u201cCapture Data\u201d, which is a file that contains the code to run a sysdiagnose. In all this time, I\u2019ve always waited for her to send me the Capture Data so I can run the sysdiagnose and send the file back to her, but in my research, I’ve discovered that you can actually do it on your own. The reason you might want to know about this is because if you want to submit a bug report to Apple, adding a sysdiagnose will help them work on it for you. If they choose to look at it, of course.<\/p>\n

You can search the web for instructions on how to run a sysdiagnose for your particular device. I also found a company called HCS Technology Group who have published a single PDF with fabulous instructions on how to run a sysdiagnose for all Apple devices<\/a>. They even have pictures of the keyboard highlighting what keys to hold down or which buttons to press on other devices.<\/p>\n

Now that I know I can run a sysdiagnose on my own without waiting for Margo to send me instructions, I can run the early tests she suggested. Here\u2019s what she suggested I do before I start installing apps:<\/p>\n

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  1. As soon as Sonoma is available, create an installer file on an external drive<\/li>\n
  2. Wipe my entire drive.<\/li>\n
  3. Next install Sonoma from scratch <\/li>\n
  4. Put the Mac to sleep for enough time to see how it does in the sleep department. It usually takes a couple of hours before I can tell if it\u2019s draining, especially if it\u2019s at 100% when I start. Might even have to do this overnight.<\/li>\n
  5. After the sleep test is complete, run a sysdiagnose and send it to her<\/li>\n
  6. Now log into iCloud<\/li>\n
  7. Put it to sleep again for sufficient time to test whether it loses battery<\/li>\n
  8. Run the sysdiagnose again and send both of them to her<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    I\u2019ll record battery levels during this process for my own records, but then I\u2019m free to start installing apps. It takes me about a week to get my Mac back into fighting form with all of the settings and messing around I do.<\/p>\n

    You may be wondering how I\u2019ve been able to create the podcasts and enjoy my Mac-happy life with my MacBook Pro tied up doing battery experiments so much. A few months ago I broke down and bought an M2 MacBook Air. It\u2019s the only reason I haven\u2019t thrown in the towel and just lived with a $4000 laptop getting half the battery life promised.<\/p>\n

    The MacBook Air is a delightful machine and for now, my MacBook Pro is essentially a super-powerful desktop computer.<\/p>\n

    I\u2019m anxious to do the nuke and pave of my MacBook Pro and see if we learn anything at all. I have a feeling everything will be dandy at first and then at some point, which I won\u2019t be able to readily notice and therefore document, things will go belly up again.<\/p>\n

    I\u2019ll see you on the other side after macOS Sonoma is released and I\u2019ll let you know what I learn!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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