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Can $8 Enable a Great Webcam Experience?

When we all went underground, I did a blog post where I talked about the essential equipment for participating in video calls from home. I also talked warned about price gouging. At the time, the Logitech C920 webcam that I recommended was going for close to $300 when it’s normally closer to $50, but it was still available for the normal retail price at Logitech’s site. Those times have changed, finding a Logitech C920 for a reasonable price is now as probable as finding a four-leaf clover.

So how can you project your best image without a good camera? You might think that your internal camera on your laptop would be good enough. Even if you drop top dollar on a 16″ MacBook Pro, the iSight camera is still only 720p at 30fps. I’m sure there are some laptops with cameras that are passable for a family Zoom for cocktails, but to have a professional image you’ll want more than that.

It seems tragic to use this poor-quality camera if you’ve got an iPhone or Android phone sitting there with a fabulous camera!

Even if you’re sporting an original iPhone SE from 2016, you’ve got a camera capable of doing 1080p video at 60fps. If you’ve got one of the newer cameras, like an iPhone 8 from 2017 or the new $400 SE, you can do 4K video at 60fps. Now how do you feel about using that built-in iSight on your Mac?

Unfortunately, you can’t just plug your phone into your Mac or PC and use it as a webcam. Or can you?

Enter epocCam

The $8 app EpocCam from Kinoni claims to allow you to use your iPhone or Android phone as a high-quality camera for your Mac or PC. I first heard about this app when Leo Laporte mentioned it on MacBreak Weekly and it sounded intriguing so I decided to check it out for myself.

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epocCam with Banner Ads

The good news is that Kinoni has a free version of the app for you to try out first to make sure that it will work for you. I like the way they did it. The free app is spectacularly annoying with ads, up to and including covering the view of your camera with an entire ad right in the middle of a video session.

I say it’s a good thing because it is not an in-app purchase to get rid of the ads, you buy it outright for $8 as a separate app. The reason I like that is that it means it can be shared on your family play for iOS. Not sure how that works on Android though?

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Driver Required for epocCam

I downloaded the free version and then the instructions told me to go to Kinoni.com to download a driver. The driver installation on the desktop was painless and I agreed to the expected questions about allowing EpocCam access to my camera and microphone.

On Windows, they include a little viewer app to test the camera, but on the Mac they have you search for WebRTC Samples in your browser. WebRTC is an open-source protocol to all real-time communications (hence RTC) from within a browser.

I found a section on the github repository for the open source project where you could test a camera and microphone and oddly it did not recognize EpocCam. I was using Safari for Mac at the time so I switched to Chrome since it seems to work better with video interfaces, and sure enough, I could choose the virtual EpocCam as my source and I could see video from my camera. Sweet!

Now let’s talk for a moment about the feature they promise if you upgrade from the free version because it’s way more than just getting rid of the ads:

  • Audio support – you can use your phone as a microphone. In a lot of cases, that’s better than the built-in mic on your laptop, and the phone can be a lot closer to your mouth so you’ll get less room noise. Even if you don’t need a webcam this might be worth the $8 if you didn’t get a big-girl mic before the shutdown.
  • Manual focus – with the paid version you can tap to focus and locked focus mode is supposed to keep the subject focused
  • Dual-camera support – with the free version you can only use the back camera but the paid version uses both
  • High-definition video – Forget about that 4K video you can do with your phone. Unfortunately, even the paid version tops out at 1080p but you can go to 60fps with it. As an FYI, the elusive C920 camera you can’t buy is only 1080p so that’s actually pretty good.
  • Connection modes – this is really interesting – you can connect over USB as you might expect, but you can also use EpocCam over WiFi. This means you could be completely untethered as you participated in a call. You can also use EpocCam as an NDI source. That’s something you probably don’t need but is actually very useful to me in using mimoCall to do provide a separate camera to Steve for the live show. We could have me on my regular webcam but give Tesla my iPhone as she wanders around the house – TeslaCam!


It was time to stop being excited about the promises and try out the full version of EpocCam. I jumped onto Zoom and tried to select epocCam for video and sure enough it available to choose as an input source. I selected it and my video looked great! I could use either the front or back camera.

I looked at the settings and I was able to change connection methods like untethering and using WiFi. They have a setting to use a green screen but it is pretty janky. I probably wouldn’t use it, even with my real green screen because it didn’t work very well.

Steve and I launched mimoLive and we tested the NDI capability I said you wouldn’t care about. The video looked fantastic, even as I untethered. I walked all over the house and with the exception of when my phone jumped from eero to eero, he said it worked great. But then it didn’t.

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epocCam Stuck on “Connecting”

I got a circle on screen that said connecting, and I could not get back to where he could see me. I quit the app a couple of times, but it didn’t help. In fact, the app started quitting all by itself. I wondered whether it was a problem with having the free and paid versions on my phone, so I deleted the free one and restarted my phone and it started to work again. Still gave me a queasy feeling that maybe it wasn’t completely stable.

When I did have it back up, it didn’t want to focus on me sitting at my desk. In the list of things you get with the upgrade was the ability to do manual focus by tapping on the screen, but my installation shows on screen that it’s “fixed focus” and I can’t find a place to disable that.

Later on, I tried NDI again and again it got stuck on “Connecting”, so it doesn’t look like it is stable enough for NDI usage.

I launched a Google Hangout (yes it’s still there but doesn’t sound long for this world) using Chrome and EpocCam worked great there too. I tried Safari (which is never super happy with video input) and Google Hangouts did not see the camera. That was curious.

I tested EpocCam in Skype and again it worked beautifully.

And then security measures went into place

Some time passed and I went back into Zoom to verify some things as I wrote up the review and to my dismay, the EpocCam virtual camera was not an option to select for video input.

I went over to Kinoni’s website and found terrible news. A recent update to Zoom has disabled the use of virtual cameras. They said:

Recently many macOS application have started enabling security feature called library validation. This disables using virtual webcams like EpocCam.
… there is also a workaroud. You can remove signature from the app allowing it load again load third party libraries such as EpocCam plugin.
…Install Xcode command line tools via Terminal.app

Uh, yeah, sorry, that is so not happening! I love a good command-line solution as much as the next girl but I am not removing a security feature! Turns out Skype for Business has disabled it too, along with SnapCam.

I started perusing some of their other FAQs and discovered this:

On macOS 10.14 Mojave Apple has stopped supporting third party webcams in Apple applications like FaceTime, Safari, and Photo Booth. Nothing we can do about that, sorry.

I was super excited about epocCam as a solution as a webcam, but the set of available apps is super narrow and probably narrowing. Skype for non-business seems to work and the dead man walking Google Hangouts are pretty much the only solutions left still working and one has to wonder when they’ll be disabled as well.

What I don’t know is whether Windows and their equivalent apps like Zoom and Skype for Business have invoked similar security measures. Might be hope over there?

Bottom Line

I really, truly wanted epocCam to be a great solution for people, but I surely can’t recommend it for video. However, you might still want to get epocCam to use your iPhone or Android phone as a microphone. For $8 it might be a great solution to not having a big-girl mic. As Alex Lindsay, the crazy high-end video guy once said in a class I took from him at the Podcast Expo, “The most important thing about video is audio.”

5 thoughts on “Can $8 Enable a Great Webcam Experience?

  1. Shelley - June 3, 2020

    I was super excited about using EpocCam, too, as a solution for videoconferencing without a dedicated webcam, especially since I had an older iPhone 6s I could set it up on and decided to try it based on a great review found online. I set up the driver on my Win10 PC and connected it to the iPhone with EpocCam via USB and since it seemed to work well, I upgraded to the paid version to get use of the mic. All was working swimmingly with Zoom for about a week and a half, just had a few cutouts from time to time when I would disappear and just my virtual background showed. Then, all of a sudden, when I went to start my second Zoom meeting of the day, the dreaded circle of “Connecting..” came back and try as I might, nothing seems to bring it back to order. Rather disappointing as I have multiple meetings coming up and am now struggling with troubleshooting. Found this article in my troubleshooting search and have to say, I don’t recommend it either.

  2. podfeet - June 5, 2020

    Sorry you had the sad trombone experience too, Shelley. I’m a big fan of the Wyzecam from https://wyze.com. They’re $20 and the company just put out an update that allows you to change it from a security camera to a webcam. I might give it a try for the community.

  3. Jonathan - September 11, 2020

    Why worry about removing an annoying security feature that wasn’t there before, and that simply allows you to use EpocCam? With the latest automatic security features added in Catalina, I would literally not be able to do 1/3 of my work without disabling some security commands. I say go for it! It’s truly a great app and is a great way to make use of an old iPhone.

  4. Donna - September 18, 2020

    Just tried it today with iphone 10, macbook pro and zoom. All current versions and it worked PERFECTLY!!! Just thought I’d let you know that. Plus we used audio from the laptop which was closer with video from the iphone set farther away. all good.

  5. Allison Sheridan - September 18, 2020

    I’m so glad it worked for you, Donna. I really should go back and try it again now that Zoom updated to allow it.

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